I used to joke that the church in Carlingford where I was employed had successfully beaten the tired old three application points to every evangelical sermon of "Read your Bible more, pray more, and tell more people about Jesus", by instead adapting a four-part "Read your Bible, pray, tell people about Jesus and Hillsong is evil." This is of course the jest of an ignorant young man, and is far from the truth. However I have learnt much being a follower of Jesus just around the corner from the Hillsong megachurch.
Nestled in the heart of Sydney's Bible Belt, Hillsong Church is arguably the most influential single church in Australian Christianity. For the past three years I've been a part of Baulkham Hills North Anglican Church which is itself in the middle of Hillsong country. I'm not quite sure what to make of the concept of "The Bible Belt" and yet you can't deny the disproportionate amount of churches in the area. As one person put it to me recently about church in Carlingford, if you can't put up a sign that says "Church meeting here this Sunday" and get 50 people to show up, you should give up the game.
Nestled in the heart of Sydney's Bible Belt, Hillsong Church is arguably the most influential single church in Australian Christianity. For the past three years I've been a part of Baulkham Hills North Anglican Church which is itself in the middle of Hillsong country. I'm not quite sure what to make of the concept of "The Bible Belt" and yet you can't deny the disproportionate amount of churches in the area. As one person put it to me recently about church in Carlingford, if you can't put up a sign that says "Church meeting here this Sunday" and get 50 people to show up, you should give up the game.
Sarah and I decided a few weeks back since we finished up at Cumberland Uni Church and Baulkham Hills and are yet to start as student ministers at Carlingford Presbyterian, to use the month of January to visit churches and see what we can learn from the way others are doing things.
"I just don't want to go" Sarah pleaded, when I first suggested Hillsong.
I reasoned in return, "If you don't want to, that's fine. But they're the most influential individual church in Australia, so it's worth knowing what they're doing."
"I'll feel like a fraud."
"How many students did you meet at uni last year that go there? How many own their CD's? How many attend their annual conference? You can't deny their influence."
For those playing at home, I won, so off we headed last Sunday evening to the 6pm congregation at Hillsong's first and largest campus in Baulkham Hills.
Hillsong Church began as the Hills Christian Life Centre in 1983. Seventeen years later they claim to have 20,000 people attend their services each week and through their incredibly popular congregational CDs (which regularly achieve gold and platinum sales) as well as the role of Brian Houston as former National President of Australian Christian Churches, Hillsong has disproportional influence on the church in Australia.
Now before I share what I learnt during my visit, let me first offer a disclaimer. If you already know that any potential criticisms I might have of Hillsong will leave you labelling me as "just another Charo-basher" then it's probably best you don't bother reading on. It will save both of us a lot of hurt. Well, not me, but definitely you. I could assuage your anger by offering "Some of my best friends are pentecostal" but I doubt I would be successful, and regardless I would not wish dear reader to patronise you. Likewise, my comments are my own and general in nature based on my experience and reflections on Sunday 10th January 2010AD. And before you comment that "My best friend's sister's cousin's great aunt's kelpie's original owner attends the church, and he happens to be a very godly Christian", let me state clearly that I am not making comment on any individual person who has in the past or currently attends the Hillsong Church. Similarly, I wish to state for the record that my bark is worse than my bite. I am told I am much more pastorally sensitive when speaking with someone in person rather than in written form.
At the ministry training strategy SPUR conference last year, we were challenged by one of the speakers Greg Lee to not just write Hillsong off, but instead to ask "What are they getting right? What can we learn from them?" One of Greg's observations was "They know Jesus left them with a gospel and not a creed." The criticism of the evangelical crowd in attendance was clear - Hillsong's congregation aren't happy to simply be doctrinally pure, but to recognise that God gave them a message to proclaim, and they're out there doing it. And as Sarah and I drove the 40 minutes or so to the Hillsong Convention Centre, Greg's challenge to ask "What can we learn from Hillsong?" was ringing in my ears (this would be an opportune time to make jokes at the expense of the loud music however the sound quality was surprisingly quite poor - especially to hear introductions, prayers and most of the announcements. This may have been a result of our seating location as well as the music being played in the background, but it was even relatively difficult to hear the main speaker who didn't have the benefit of a constant movie score being played behind his words.) So what can we learn from Hillsong?
My first impression was simply the enormity of everything. The gathering was huge. The building holds 3500 people and it was packed to the rafters for the 6pm Sunday service. The auditorium is a thing to behold, and so I beheld it. It is new and big and extremely fitting for their size. If you had 3500 people at church, why wouldn't you have a building like it? Tiered seating, comfy chairs, climate controlled, specced out sound and lighting, university style folding desks for writing; it is a lovely building. As a son of a builder I appreciate good construction however it would be remiss of me to digress longer on the building, because church is not really about the building at all.
I've always wondered about how welcoming is done in a gathering that large. The primary way welcoming is achieved at Hillsong is by inviting newbies to a newcomers supper after church. As for during the meeting, there was a moment to meet and greet, which consisted of one person beside us and one in front introducing themselves, shaking our hand and then turning back to their immediate friends. At least this quasi-rejection was friendly, and achieved with perfect smiles. I know they weren't newcomers because the guy that greeted us in front spent the whole time of singing, surfing Facebook on his iPhone. Actually, so did his friend two seats down. I wonder if they were messaging each other? Other than that, another insular group was to our left. To the right, there were two seats - perfect for another couple to come and join Sarah and I. And not too long into the singing they did. My friendly smile was returned with another perfect one in kind. Yet I was surprised to look over at the end of the song to discover they had disappeared. Sarah tells me they spotted some friends not far away and had gone to sit with them. Oh well, there were still people coming in, we still had hope of another couple coming and speaking to us. As spare seats were at a premium we soon had another couple join us. Yet again, while I was busy singing, these too slipped away unnoticed as they had spotted friends not far away. The third couple to sit beside us stayed. I like to think it was because they could sense we were new and didn't want us to feel rejected, though I suspect the reality was that it was getting towards sermon time and there really was nowhere else to sit. They did well to stay, as I must have freaked them out a little because already twice bitten I kept weirdly looking at them out of the corner of my eye to make sure they wouldn't stealthily leave as well.
As a group, the congregation members were young and pretty. So fitting in wasn't a problem, but something else must have given us away, because we were identified by a woman sitting behind us as newcomers. I suggested to Sarah perhaps it was that we had brought along our Bibles, but that couldn't be right, as we weren't the only ones with Bibles, even though we needn't have bothered. I think what gave us away was the puzzled expression we gave each other as during the second last song about 20-30% of the congregation just packed up and left. We weren't sure what was going on. I thought it might be so they could set up for the newcomers supper, and this was no doubt true for some but once we got outside it was soon clear that just like major sporting events, once the result was certain the race was on to get out of the carpark before the traffic jam. The woman who invited us to the supper was herself a relative newcomer who had been there for eight weeks and said it was all a bit different for her and was taking some getting used to. She was extremely nice to us, but the crowd was filtering out and so we soon wished each other all the best and went our separate ways.
The message was delivered by Danny Guglielmucci. I use the word message deliberately as his opening words were "I'm not going to give a sermon tonight - instead I'll give a word of truth." I'm certain he would consider his sermons as words of truth too, but it was not a strong beginning. By the end of the 40 minute address I was wondering if not opened, that perhaps the Bible would at least be quoted. Sweet relief came late and fast.
"I didn't have a verse tonight, but if I did it would have been 2 Timothy 4 'Fight the good fight'. And there are good fights and bad fights - and we're to fight the good ones."
That was it. I learnt absolutely nothing from 40 minutes of this 'word of truth'. At least nothing of significance. This is not a personal attack; Guglielmucci has gone through some difficult life experiences, and he seems to still trust God. He was an engaging speaker and yet I just left off feeling hollow, like there was some void that I was waiting to be filled that just wasn't going to. I felt like shouting out - "What about the Bible?" I assume as a guest speaker that failing to refer to the Bible virtually at all is not normal practice, but seriously. There must have been 100's of visitors in a crowd that size, and I can't see how they left with anything close to an understanding of Jesus or God or the Bible, or the necessary of rebirth through the Spirit. It was just a sad, wasted opportunity.
This lack of gospel presentation didn't prevent a call for a response. This was done in a bizarre manner, because I'm still not even certain what they were responding to. I think the phrase was 'If you've realised you're hurting before God' or something similar, then come on down. The pastor who called them down, who looked like Brian Houston's son but didn't introduce himself, kept saying the response was "awesome" that all these people were coming to the stage. I can't judge their hearts, and I hope it was the end of a process where people had been telling them about sin and about Jesus death on their behalf, but if their response was purely as a result of what had come before that evening, then I can see absolutely no indication to suggest they have any idea of why they came down the front. Thankfully, they were taken outside for a minute to pass on their details and to be given a Bible, so my prayer for them is that they were consequently explained the gospel. At the very least they now have a Bible which hopefully they will use, even if it's usefulness was implicitly discouraged by its lack of reference from the preacher.
Also good to note is that the guy that looked like Brian Houston's son was proven not to be a false prophet. After the initial call for people to come forward, we all sang a verse and chorus of a song as about 10 people came forward, while we waited for the repeat verse and chorus another call was issued for more people to come forward, and they did - another 15 or so. Lastly, the Brian Houston-looking guy "had a feeling" that "there's more people out there", and though he assured us "We don't normally do this", we went for a third repeat verse chorus in order for those who didn't come the first two times. Initially it didn't look promising, but eventually another two willing participants stepped forward to prove that amongst us was indeed a true prophet.
I truly was optimistic about learning from Hillsong. Sarah and I went to one night of their conference a few years back to hear the most (literally) god-awful sermon I've ever heard in my life from T.D.Jakes. And yet I was optimistic. I'd heard they'd mellowed over the years - that the unhelpful pentecostal and charismatic elements that had developed over time had been minimised as they went mainstream. But sadly to my view all that is left is motivational speaking for the masses with some-Christian sounding words thrown in and some well-played if lyrically airy songs.
So what can we learn from Hillsong? What are they doing right? Greg Lee was right - many of the people that attend Hillsong do indeed know that Jesus left them with a gospel and not a creed. I'm certain many of them are saved. Most of those who I know personally who attend are indeed much more evangelistic than myself. But by evangelistic I mean, not proclaiming the gospel per se, but just being a bit more overt in their God-talk. As for the content of the message they are proclaiming, if it's as lacking in content as what was served up to the faithful last Sunday then I can see no proclamation of Christ crucified, no obvious call to repentance, and therefore no salvation that leads to life. This all sounds very much like criticism from my high horse, but it truly was exceptionally hollow. We must not confuse desire to proclaim a message with desire to proclaim the gospel message.
It's great to ask what can we learn from Hillsong. It's great the members are known for getting out there and having a gospel to be proclaimed rather than a creed to memorise. And yet surely we must ask, if this gospel message is not the gospel of the crucified and risen Lord Jesus for the forgiveness of sin then I can not but conclude if all we are learning is they have a message to proclaim with fervour, then I need look no further than PETA anti-fur protesters or Mac users or GTD proponents for my example.
Sure let's ask what we can learn - and I got some great ideas about managing a large crowd (each kid in the kids program is given a number and if there's any problems, their number flashes on the screen for the parent to come and get them), great ideas about production values, and graphic design - but for most of the aspects of the meeting that I liked, I say to myself, I'm not certain this is being driven by sound theology and so is this something I want to be copying?
There were so many people there who came to be gathered with God's people but what a wasted opportunity.
Interestingly door-knocking around Baulkham Hills, I discovered for many people Hillsong is the nominalism of the suburb. In the way that people in some suburbs would dismiss you with "I'm Anglican", it is common to hear "I go to Hillsong". The follow up question of "That's great, how often do you go?" often reveals a former or semi-regular attender with an unsurprisingly hollow understanding of the gospel.
I know that the Bible must surely play more of a role in the regular meeting. And so it is my hope that the many blessings God has given Hillsong church and their visibility as a gathering of God's people and their pull-factor and their fame would be utilised for the powerful proclamation of the gospel. I pray that God will convince them further of the truths of Scripture in a way that would enable them to proclaim the true gospel in all its fulness. Because there are I'm certain 1000's of Christians within their meetings who understand the gospel, but are sadly being fed fairy floss. And I'm not certain that were they to put on some good music and actually preach the gospel powerfully and well that God would not use that for his glory and continue to bring spectators and huge numbers of people who consequently respond to Jesus in repentance and faith to be brought to eternal life.
**As one points the finger, three fingers are pointed back at oneself**

I'm that you feel this way about Hillsong, but while reading your post it seemed as if you came to the service with a predetermined way of how you would see everything. If you would like some samples of sermons with Bible readings you can check out Brian Houston's YouTube page: http://www.youtube.com/brianchouston
ReplyDeleteHi Izaac. I thought this was a good post. simone.
ReplyDeleteHey Izaac, very interesting post. I had similar experiences back in 2003 or so.
ReplyDeleteThe teaching I heard was very much focused on the present- which is often where we fall down- but with a deliberate ignorance of the past or the future. That is, the present is not tied to God's work in the past on the cross, or to the return of Jesus in the future, like it is in the NT. Everything about what God is going to do for you in the NOW.
Hope college starts well for you both.
Adam,
ReplyDeleteIt seemed to me that that was exactly what Izaac was trying not to do. It's almost impossible to disregard everything you've been told about somewhere - but in Izaac's own words:
"Likewise, my comments are my own and general in nature based on my experience and reflections on Sunday 10th January 2010AD."
Thank you for posting this Zac.
ReplyDelete@Adam - I went to the youtube link. Brian's preaching on Hebrews 10:9 is horrible. It doesn't even remotely resemble a faithful unpacking of the passage. It's amazing how he jumps to saying "We know this passage is about the big things" to "but did you know they're about you too?" Another video starts, "Why don't you start with thanksgiving (in prayer), and open yourself up to the miraculous power of God?" Again, his preaching on John 11 is awful, and once again, becomes all about us. The essence being "You want miracles? Be full of thanksgiving to God" This is Word of Faith teaching. Heard of that? It's heresy. If these videos are representative of his bible based preaching, you need to leave his church.
Erica and I went twice to Hillsong, to their Saturday night service. We went back a second time partly to check if the horrors of the previous service were normal and regular - it appears they were.
Here's what I learnt from my Hillsong experience;
When a church embraces pragmatism and cultural relevance to the fullest extent, it will soon be a church that finds it impossible to keep the Word of God at the centre of it's public meeting, though I doubt the pastors or the gathered people will be able to identify this as a problem. For this is just 'how they do church' - a statement so revealing of this very flaw it's hard to believe the pastors have ever sat down and thought out church from 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Ephesians, Titus or any passage for that matter.
Not only will the church struggle to keep the word central, it will find it inconceivable to move the music and experience out. The parallel's between the Catholic Mass and the Hillsong worship experience are painful to watch in person, as the image of a hand rises up on the cinema screens across the words "we come before you" which are sung with such trance like repetition (and hours and hours of preparation). It's hard to put into words how fake and contrived it looked as roaming television cameras swiveled here and there, and thousands of lights and sounds held the whole experience together. This is man building his way into the worship and presence of God. I kept thinking to myself, "This is what the reformers fought against - people fought to replace this man centered garbage with a faithful exposition of the Word" - and now Hillsong would probably claim that it is an offshoot of that reformation current. How blind! This is the cathedral of noise and light, with the incense and smoke of music, where people come to be 'moved by the Spirit' - It was the church of Corinth all over, with people lost in the moment, speaking in tongues, utter chaos - but oh, so beautiful and impressive! When I was a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child - when I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Paul is rebuking the Corinthians for their worldliness! He would weep attending this place.
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ReplyDeleteI learnt that young, pretty gen-y's from the bible belt obviously don't want 'creeds' or meaty doctrine, that's hard, and dull. No, they must have 40 minutes of trance like congregational worship music, pumping out of a million dollar sound system with neat shifts between segments, with the intensity chugging right along as the motivational speaker comes to the stage, pumped up and ready to speak really loud and fast.
I learnt that a church so inoculated to this environment has seemingly no ability to distinguish between a preacher and a motivational speaker. If they had that ability, they would have made it clear some time ago that fairy floss was not an acceptable diet for a church week in week out, even every few weeks.
So unfaithful, manipulative and fraudulent was one of the 'sermons' I listened to, that I found myself deeply angered when Mrs. Houston came out after we had already been asked to give twice to "give a love offering to Pastor ____" for speaking to us. "Church, we didn't bring him over from America for any old reason, we knew exactly why we brought him" - a comment that left me wondering what on earth was going through the leaders of this church's heads.
Brian Houston gave the other address. If this man is a faithful solid bible preacher as I've heard many defend him as - he is awfully inconsistent and soft when I heard him. The very fact that he gives the platform of his church to so many visitors speaks volumes to his attitude towards the opening of the Word to his people. It clearly isn't that important to him. I can't believe people defend him - his preaching would be unacceptably bad and heretical in almost any evangelical church in Sydney. Such obvious fallacies, passages consistently taken out of context. I've watched with a friend a series he gave on the Australian Christian Channel - it was pathetic. Don't beat around the bush, if you wouldn't accept such bible-less, worldly, motivational and hollow preaching from a lay person in your own church, how can you not critique it from the leader of the 'most influential church in Australia'?! I wouldn't let him speak in my youth group, I wouldn't let him speak in my Sunday school - and we're OK with him leading a church? No, I'm not OK with that.
Both weeks, Erica and I (and two others that came one week) hung around in the church and entrance way for at least 45mins, if not an hour. Not once, not once, did anyone make a single attempt to talk to us. So I learnt that a church built on the improvement of self, and the experience of the individual leaves welcoming at the automatic opening doors. It was the hollowest, most life-less feeling I have felt in a church. And that was the feeling just sitting through the singing. I almost cried. Erica did.
Is this church the pillar and buttress of the truth in the world? Words escape me when I try to express helpfully and lovingly how much anger I have for its leaders. It was an abject mess. A melting pot of heresy, a swamp of spiritual immaturity.
I am so tired of evangelical sticking up PC banners, telling us to 'learn' from Hillsong, and to respect their way of church. Their way of church is almost entirely detached from the biblical model. Are we evangelical or not? Do we read Psalm 119 or not? Are we protestants or not? Evangelicals need to go to Hillsong services to see that the stereotype is real. They need to go and see what will happen to a church when it ceases to be evangelical.
It's time to stand and fight for the truth. This is important. Our people in our churches need to know. The leaders of Hillsong need to be rebuked publicly by leading evangelicals. If that causes rifts and splits between us - good.
Matt.
@ Adam
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting. I hope I gave a balanced view of the night I attended. As for coming with predetermined views, you were correct in picking me up on not mentioning too much about my expectations. I certainly had them, and most of them resulted in surprises.
In regards to the music, I sung along with gusto (And probably, considering the size of the crowd with someone named Gus). I was happy to sing along, because the lyrics were as far as I could ascertain describing Christian truths. This surprised me. In a good way. I mean, they weren't the best songs I've ever heard, but were both vague and specific enough for me to lovingly join in with others - of course excluding the few rows of people in front who were texting or chatting.
As for my expectations regarding the prosperity gospel, again I was surprised. Also in a good way. There was nothing blatantly "name it and claim it" and this is a good thing and not what I expected. It was hinted at during prayers for those who were sick but the pray-er was perhaps not indicating that God would change people to health but that he could, to which I wholeheartedly agree. His language could however have been interpreted to be saying that God would heal people.
Thirdly in regards to money, I was also surprised - in a good way. The offertories were handled extremely sensitively for a church known to have lots of money and talk about it regularly. This was good,
Now, I'm not certain as to whether the church has changed their theological understanding of singing (as Matt alluded to above) or to the prosperity gospel, or for that matter towards money, but I was surprised by their lack of emphasis in each of these areas. Surprised in a good way.
My bigger reflections are contained in the post, predominant among these was that specific false teaching of God's word was replaced with not teaching God's word.
Thank you for the link. I mentioned a few times that I assumed it wasn't normal practice to not open the Scriptures at all, and I hope to have time to watch some of the linked messages. Yet even if this was an exception - it does speak volumes about the priorities of the church. Who they promote on their platform gives insight into their values. Your 'yes' is only as good as your 'no'. As for the priority of the word of God in the gathering of God's people, and as the primary (promised) means of God communicating his will to us, that is a discussion for another time. Suffice to say, having Mr Guglielmucci as a guest speaker who did not emphasise the authority of God's word behind his address leads me to conclude that Hillsong's view of the Scriptures is not as high as it ought to be.
But as long as the leaders and members are reading it, there is hope that this view of the scriptures (If I have diagnosed it correctly) will change.
Please feel free to respond to these and others comments.
@ Simone and Nathan
ReplyDeleteThanks for the encouragement. Blog-love appreciated.
@ Marty
That's very true. But you're not meant to be so acute in your analysis from OS. Our deficiency is definitely on the practicalities of the now. And yet as the past and future determine the action of the now, if you're going to lean towards anything it would be those. I love and hate when the conclusion is balance. That seems to be the correct answer in this case.
@ Matt
I agree mostly. Wouldn't have said it that way, but I know you're a passionate guy. Don't lose it,
It's not just Hillsong, but AOG (or, as they call themselves now, "Christian Churches of Australia") churches all over Australia. I live in the northern half of the Sunshine State, and we have a relatively large (I mean relative to other NQ churches) AOG church up here that idolises Hillsong. I have attended it several times and out of the several preachers and sermons I heard, only one preacher and one sermon was what I'd call biblically sound.
ReplyDeleteLeaving during the last few songs is the norm, too. In fact, not just leaving to beat the rush, but concluding the service, even if you're not leaving straight away. That's the expected time to start wandering out to find a cup of coffee or chat to your friends.
They also adoringly praise guest preachers, whether their message was sound or not. They act like they are superstars and play rock music for them while they walk up to the stage and get everyone to clap and cheer. Afterwards it's all "what an amazing message" "God was really present tonight" (as if he's not on any other given night), even if the message was absolutely awful. One of the worst I ever heard was a guest who preached on the man who sold everything to buy the perfect pearl. At first the sermon was so accurate I was dumb-founded. As it approached what I thought was the conclusion, I was thinking "what a fantastic message". But no. He still had another fifteen minutes to go, and that fifteen minutes was basically saying (get this): "We all know how money-savvy Jews are, so obviously this man would have gone on to sell the pearl. He could then use that money to buy back what he had originally sold, plus more! So obviously we should deny ourselves in the short term so we can end up wealthier in the long term."
I was appalled. It was enough to completely erase the good of the first half of the message. I left absolutely shocked.
As for the bible, usually it's just used for one or two verses as a point of inspiration, or to 'support' a point. There's never any exegesis on a passage. You never leave having learnt something new from the bible - you leave feeling inspired (if it's a 'good' message). Inspiration is good... but it's not enough.
They import guest preachers from all over the world and, conversely, send their pastor all over the country/world. I'm all for having guest preachers, but I'm used to guest preachers who come along because they're going to be in town (or at least in the country) for another reason too - we don't fly them in specifically to preach (at least not in my memory). In fact, just recently, their senior pastor has been made senior pastor at another church... 1200km away. He flies back and forth every weekend. SEQ (South East QLD) Church has him Fri PM, NQChurch has him Sun PM, and they alternate Sun AM.
Can you imagine how that money could be used better??
I personally know (young) people who, once exposed to the 'meaty' doctrine of other churches, have left it.
Hi Leah,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comments. You have shown a helpful example of just how influential Hillsong has become around Australia. Now I'm certain not every element of ACC churches is exclusively influenced by Hillsong - some aspects arose independently, others from the US - but particularly through the use of songs, these churches continually highlight their links with Hillsong. This isn't inherently a bad thing - it's just a thing. Larger churches have always been influential to smaller ones, thus I remain hopeful that Hillsong's influence will continue, but be reformed to more accurately reflect the Biblical emphasis and therefore better equip churches around Australia by their example.
You also picked up on a number of things that make me culturally uneasy - things that aren't inherently bad, but maybe not as helpful as they could be.
It is helpful to keep remembering to have 'meaty' churches, even if they aren't as 'successful' as larger churches, and also to be careful what we copy.
Hey Zac,
ReplyDeleteI liked the post mate, well written and thought through.
Did you get a sense of what the whole message of the meeting was? Was there some kind of meta-narrative to it all? Apologies if you put this in the post and I've missed it.
On your comment:
" I love and hate when the conclusion is balance. That seems to be the correct answer in this case."
I share your hate for 'when the conclusion is balance'. And in this case, I'd disagree. (though perhaps only semantically!) It's not a balance of focus, but a lack of understanding that the present, and our problems, issues and desires, are inextricably tied to the past and the future. The present is massively highlighted in the light of the past and future, not drowned out.
Hi Kutz,
ReplyDeleteI missed the first minute of the service, so I'm not sure what the intoduction was, if anything, which may shed light on the metanarrative.
Because there was no one service leader, it's difficult to draw a consistent line through the service. If anything, Matt's comments about what is trying to be achieved through the music perhaps gives a better indication, but I have not given it much thought. And on the night I was there it was well-produced, but nothing said explicitly about what it is they were doing in singing. I have been to other events such as the I think it was called "Passion" conference which had Louis Giglio and Chris Tomlin where there was a few funny comments about "singing loud enough for God to hear" and "Bring God down to this place" and the like. There was nothing like this during my visit.
Oh and at your semantic disagreement on balance, I see a huge part of Driscoll's popularity being that he speaks more to the now (grounded in the past and future). I believe there is a fair criticism of many evangelicals that the final step of really grounding the exposition in the now is not always spelt out explicitly but left oftentimes implicit.
ReplyDeleteThank you for this post, Izaac. The discussion you promote is crucially important to the world-wide Church.
ReplyDeleteI was a member of Hillsong for several years, and also on staff there. I've written a critique of my own which may be of interest:
http://thethinkingtheologian.blogspot.com
Thanks for the link. Somehow I've stumbled across your blog previously...
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